The Foo Fighters' Dave Grohl spills it about rock stars with fake boobs, drummer jokes and that 'N' word ...
So how's the ever changing line-up?
I think probably the one thing
we've learned recently, has been that what we have gone through as a band with
different band members, isn't really different than what most bands go through
before they put out their first record. So if you consider the foundation of the
[Foo Fighters] being an album recorded by one person, that wasn't really
intended to be a major release - it was almost like a demo tape - then it turned
into a record and then it turned into a band. We went through all of this change
in public. If it were different, like, "I am going to find a cool group of
people and try to make some music and maybe some day make a record," it probably
would have taken maybe three years before I felt entirely comfortable enough to
be a singer or find the correct combination people or make a
record.
So it's like an evolution turned upside down?
Well,
yeah, we sort of started before we even started. Each person that left the band
has had entirely different scenarios. Like Pat left the band...it wasn't a
musical decision at all - it didn't have to do with the band, it had to do with
something else.
With women?
With my wife actually. And then
when William left the band, that was kind of a musical decision, but I think
that the pressures of this band might have been too much for him. And then he
also knew that we were gonna tour for the rest of our lives too, and I don't
think he was willing to do that either. With Franz, it was purely a musical
decision. As we were writing the songs for this new record, Taylor and I were
doing something that was way far beyond anything we imagined happening. We were
really getting it together and Franz had a hard time finding his place in that
and it was just a decision we all made. We said: "You know, it's probably best
that we go and make the record as three people," just because it would seem more
focussed. Franz is a great player and a really great friend - we've known him
for years - but this album is really important to us and we felt like we wanted
to go in as confident and as focussed as possible, and the three of us had that,
so...
So 'there's nothing left to lose'?
[laughs] Not anymore,
no more guitar players left to lose, and with Chris we actually had an audition
process where we tired 40 different people. We never did that with Pat, we never
did that with Franz, we never did that with William, we never did that with
anyone, ever. We just sort of grabbed people as friends and said "Come play in
the band." Having made this record and realised how important it is that we find
someone that really works personally and musically, we tried a lot of people and
Chris worked. We know he's a great person, we know he's a great guitar player
and we know he sings really well. It seems to be working out pretty
good.
So you finally found your dream team?
Got the dream team
right now, man.
Are you still friends with Franz and Pat after
all?
Not with Pat, the Pat thing was too fucked up. The last time we saw
each other we almost got into a fight. I almost...What do you do when you go
through a divorce and one of your band members decides to quit the band because
he likes your wife better than you? You start thinking, "OK, well, I think I
wanna kick your ass." But with Franz there were no hard feelings. Taylor and I
have an amazing relationship because Taylor and I are like brothers, the two of
us are like best friends. You only find so many best friends in a lifetime. I
found one when I was five, and then Taylor and I wound up being separated at
birth. Nate is the quiet guy, he's the guy that never reveals his emotions at
all, until you have a phone conversation four years later, where he's like, "I
really love you man." You know, I don't know too many bands that fucking hug
each other and tell each other that they really love each other all the time. So
it's a nice feeling and it makes its way into the music. There's some connection
that's beyond cheap music, it has more to do with your minds and your hearts I
guess.
What about the rougher sounds on the new record?
We did
it in our own studio, that we built. We don't really know how to build a studio,
so I think that's why it sounds a little...
...back in
Virginia?
In Virginia, yeah, in my house.
Are you fed up with
Seattle and LA?
Well, I moved to Los Angeles to get out of Seattle. I
knew that I wasn't gonna live in Los Angeles for the rest of my
life...
Were you getting too caught up in that party life?
Not
really, not as much as a lot of people I know. My party life was like having a
barbecue in my backyard or maybe once a week go into a bar and drinking a bottle
of Tequila. But I haven't done drugs since I was 20 years old. I've never done
cocaine in my life, I've never done heroin in my life, I've never done speed in
my life, I've never taken a quaalude in my life. I tried smoking a joint about
two years ago with Taylor 'cause he was like, "Smoke it!" - "No" - "Smoke it!!"
- "No" - "Dude, just come on, just fucking take a hit"...So I smoked a little
bit and I was like, "God, I am gonna fucking die."
I saw you at the
Hollywood Athletics Club at some party and you didn't look too good. That's why
I am asking.
Oh, it was for a magazine. Franz's girl-friend worked at
that magazine and...yeah, I was fucking drunk as shit that night. I was drunk as
hell. That was great. That was another Tequila night. Getting drunk with Taylor
is really fun, because he will drink anything that you hand him - hand him a
shot, go "Do it" and he's like "Man, I am too fucked up" - "Do it, man!!!" and
he does. And so I gave him this glass of Tequila that was about this high and I
said, 'Drink it all now" and he did. Then he ran to the toilet and fucking got
sick all over the place and we all thought it was really funny. But that's what
we do for a good time, make Taylor sick - that's a good night out for us. I
don't think I ever really gave into going out on Hollywood town, like there's a
big difference between clubbing the scenes and going to a friend of yours' party
and getting really fucked up. If that's the only time you saw me, then you'd
think, "Wow, Dave's fucking out of his mind."
There is this song,
"Stacked Actors" where you're picking up on the Hollywood scene?
Well,
the song can be related to a lot of things, it can be related to people. If you
say: "Line up the bastards, all I want is the truth," you're basically talking
about people that aren't real, or people that are fake, or people that want to
be something other than they are or whatever......meaning Hollywood, so having
lived in Hollywood for a year and a half, I got tired of that mentality. Also, I
got really upset with Hollywood's influence on rock & roll in the last four
years; how the glamour and the image started taking precedent over the music,
like these fucking rock stars who look like cartoon characters or supermodels -
you know, fake tits and fucking make-up and image and glamour...like, "I am
gonna save rock 'n' roll, it's a fucking pile of shit right now and I am here to
save it, 'cause what rock & roll needs is a fucking rock star." And they'd
make these albums and it sucked. There was a few people that came out, one after
another, that claimed they were here to save rock & roll 'cause it had been
destroyed by a sea of mediocre bands, and they kind of missed the point. Rather
than saving rock & roll with good rock & roll music, they were saving
rock & roll by just being a rock star. It just didn't make any fucking
sense. You know, singing about California and the beauty and the wondrous
mystery that is Hollywood and the drugs and the life - it's just such fucking
bullshit. OK, I can listen to the fucking Doors, I hate the Doors, but I can see
how the Doors could sing about the Sunset Strip in 1969 or 1970 when it was this
freaky scene that was new and crazy. And people were trying to re-live this
Fleetwood Mac era mentality. That was 1974 or '76 - you can't go back and
re-live that and expect to save rock & roll by basing your whole...I don't
know, it just made me sick. So it has a lot to do with that too.
How
come you put it the other way around this time, you start with the aggressive
songs and then get moody?
Well, I don't know. Whenever you're making a
record you don't think about the sequence of songs until you're finished with
it, and when you're making a record, you don't really know what you have until
you're done. So, say you have 18 songs that you're going to try and record, or
you have 18 songs that you've recorded. The kind of album that you put out is
sort of defined by which songs you put on the record, so if you have that many
songs, you could release an 11 song album of all the hardest stuff or you could
go the other way to all the softer stuff. But I think the idea is to just put
the best songs on the record, whether they're done with acoustic guitars,
whether they're done with electric guitars tuned down. As we were making the
record, it was like song by song by song and after we were done with all the
songs, we kind of looked back and said, "God, there's a lot less screaming." You
don't realise that when you're in the middle of recording it, but after you're
done you're like, "Wow".
At least you're putting out the poppiest song
as a single, 'Learn to Fly'
That's true but that was a weird choice too,
because it wasn't necessarily our choice to pick that song, it's kind of stupid.
These people wanted to use the song for this event - kinda like X-Games, you
know what that is? They wanted to use "Learn to Fly" as the theme song for these
new kind of X-Games and we were like, "OK, yeah I guess, go ahead, whatever,
play it, that's fine". And I think that then people started catching onto the
song and people thought, "That should be your first single." We were thinking,
"Well, wait a second, we don't really want anyone to think that that song
represents the whole record, because it kind of doesn't." The whole record
doesn't sound like mid-tempo guitar pop, the record goes in a couple of
different directions. Then we were thinking of another song to release as a
single, but then we kinda realised there is not one song that represents the
whole album, really. "Stacked Actors" doesn't sound anything like "Headwires,"
which doesn't sound anything like "Ain't it the Life" and that doesn't sound
like "Breakout"...So I think the idea is to try and find a song that represents
the general idea of the album, but we couldn't find one. So we said, "OK, 'Learn
to Fly' then, fuck it".
You've done quite a few soundtracks over the
last couple of years...
...yeah, we did a few, three.
Which
weren't always the best choices, were they?
Actually in some cases...like
with The X-Files - we had a long standing relationship with The X-Files, we had
been on their first record and we're fans. They asked us if we could do
something and Chris Carter, the producer is a nice guy and so we thought, "OK,
we'll do that." And then Godzilla comes and says, "Hey, what about you guys?"
and we're like, "Wow, a Godzilla movie! Fuck, that's kinda cool." It's also kind
of a good excuse to go in the studio and record a new song, so we though, "Yeah,
sure". And then we saw the movie and we were like, "Oh, my god." But also, like
in Godzilla for example, the song is not even in the fucking movie. We went to
go see the movie and sat through that whole, boring fucking movie, waiting to
hear our music and we didn't even hear it and then we're like, "Fuck, they
didn't even play our song." But then we thought, "You know what? That movie
sucked so bad that I am glad they didn't fucking play our song in it." So, you
know, whatever. They gave us a lot of money. But that was the first time we'd
ever recorded the four of us actually, and it was a cool song. I like that song
a lot - "A320."
Now that your Foo Fighters' output equals that of
Nirvana's, is it easier to talk about the past?
Well, at first it was
difficult to even talk about the good times that Nirvana had. When I first
started doing interviews for the Foo Fighters, it was hard to talk about how
much fun it was because it had only been a year or a year and a half, and I
still really missed it. It's easier now to talk about it - like how much fun it
was - 'cause contrary to popular belief we weren't always dark, depressed,
fucked up, brooding people. We had a lot of fun a lot of the times and it could
be very light-hearted and very simple, but there are just some things that the
reader or the listener has to understand. Isn't there some things that you just
don't wanna talk about to anybody else, other than the ones that you really love
or you really know? I don't wanna break down crying in front of a fucking
journalist. I don't wanna tell people how ruined my life was because it's really
nobody's fucking business. We all...you know, Krist and I both are still amazed
and flattered that the band received so much attention.
For the first
two albums the press gave you that Nirvana-comparison shit, but now you seem to
have outgrown that thing...
Well, if a journalist asks me a question
that's disrespectful, I haven't outgrown the feeling that I'll tell you to your
face that you're a fucking asshole for being so rude. But I have outgrown the
feeling that...well, the reason why we didn't do interviews when we first
started playing was because there wasn't anything to talk about when we first
joined as a band. People wanted to do interviews right away - like within the
first month - and it's like, "Well, we haven't even played a fucking show yet,
we don't have anything to talk about. We could talk about practice or whatever."
It was pretty obvious that the only reason people wanted to do interviews was
because I was in Nirvana and I can understand that. It makes perfect sense and I
can totally understand it, but we needed to experience the Foo Fighters a little
while before we started doing press. The first record we actually did do a lot
of press. After the first six or eight months, we started doing an interview
here and an interview there, and by the end of that record, it was just like,
"blahblahblah," because we had done so many fucking interviews that it was nuts.
And then with 'The Colour and the Shape' it backed off a little bit and now it
is really not that often that people ask. Usually they ask the same question,
like, "Do people not ask about Nirvana so much anymore?" That's the one question
I get.
What about your famous quote - "Drums are for idiots, I am an
idiot, I am wonderful with that..."
[laughs] I am totally comfortable
with that. I think that the drummer should be the most humble people in the
fucking band anyway, 'cause usually a band is only as good as its drummer -
absolutely fucking true, man. Can you imagine what The Who would sound like if
Keith Moon didn't play? I'll tell you what The Who would have sounded like if
Keith Moon didn't play - Kenny Jones joined the band and it just didn't sound
like The Who anymore, you know.
What about your famous drummer jokes,
got a new one?
"How can you tell when a drummer is knocking at the door?
When the knock speeds up and he's wearing a Domino's Pizza Uniform." [laughs
like a madman]. I haven't heard drummer jokes in a long time, it's been a
while.
But you used to know them all.
I know, 'cause I got so
much shit for being a fucking drummer who was trying to be a guitar
player.
Have you checked out all your crazy homepages for
once?
Well, we have our own foofighters.com, which is kind of cool
because these kids were doing this on their own and I wrote them and said, "Hey
man, thank you so much, this is a fucking awesome website." It had so much stuff
on it - all these MP3s of like, the one time that we played 'Carry on my Wayward
Sun' by Kansas - the one time we played it someone recorded it and put it on a
website. Or like, the one time we played 'Purple Rain' or something crazy. They
get the best and weirdest stuff, there's just archives of information, so much
shit, it's a big website. So I started writing them saying, "I can't believe you
guys are doing this, it's crazy, it's great and thank you very much." So then I
started giving them updates and information and we kind of joined, and now we
have our official website.
Chris: I found a great one the other day
that this girl had set up, just dedicated to her love for Taylor Hawkins, it was
awesome.
Did you see the one by this 21-year-old Canadian girl who
pretended to have an affair with you?
Dave: The girl, yeah, I saw
that too. I think it's pretty funny, you know, because it's almost like making
collages or drawing pictures when you're a kid, of imaginary things. I mean,
it's kind of twisted, but that is my sense of humour. So when I see something
like that, I just fucking laugh my head off.
Chris: On the official
website there's these great drawings, where people just send those in...
Dave: Yeah, people will draw Taylor and then scan it and send it in and
it'd be like the most fucking distorted picture you've ever seen...
Chris: ...but you can tell what photo it's based on, so that's
OK.
Will you ever release the Pocketwatch demos?
I don't know,
we've been talking about it. The cool thing about that was that it wasn't
supposed to ever be a record. This friend of mine had her own small label and I
was recording a song one day at my friend's studio. She came by and said, "Oh,
that is really cool. Can I have a copy of it?" and I said "Sure". So I gave her
a copy and she said, "Have you ever recorded anything else?" and I said, "Yeah."
It was like 1990 or something. So I gave her a tape of all the stuff that I've
recorded and she said, "Hey, can I release this just on a cassette-only
release?" and I said yeah. So she was making copies of it in her bedroom with
the copy that I gave her, which was a copy of my copy, so it was like third
generation home stereo making these tapes, you know. Then after the Foo Fighters
started, a bunch of people started wanting it and she said, "Hey, do you wanna
make a CD?" I said, "Well, not really, because a) it doesn't really sound that
good, and b) the coolest thing about it was that it was just a cassette
release." So yeah, someday - like in two years or something - probably. It's
been bootlegged a lot and the bootleg sounds pretty good, so you could find it -
if it doesn't cost 30 dollars, you know, bootleggers rip you off.